Tire Pressures

I know this has probably been done to death in the past, but what tire pressures are you running? I've consulted the internet and got the usual mix of misinformation, hearsay and complete bollocks. So I ask the sages of this site for their insight.

I'm currently running 29 psi Front, and 31 psi rear -solo riding- bias ply tyres. No strange wear patterns, no handling issues, no traction issues. But I'm interested in what pressures others are running and why?

As a backrounder for my interest, the internet tells me:
  • Radials generally require less pressure to work- makes sense, creates a heathy contact patch
  • Modern bias plys are really different to bias plys of yore - and thus need: a) more pressure, or b) less pressure
    I think that while tread compounds have got better (e.g. high silica, better polymers) carcass construction probably hasn't all that much -especially for bias ply
  • Manufacturer recommendations for your bike are wrong - they just are. They are always too low - no they just are.
  • Some think that the maximum pressure (at maximum load) stamped on the sidewall is the ideal 'recommended' pressure for all riding conditions - to which I say "learn to read".
  • Higher tire pressure is always better...

My opinion is (FWIW):
  • Modern tyres, including bias plys, are bloody good and offer more traction and performance than I have ground clearance, or bravery/skill. I remember that OEM Bridgestones (Mag Mopus anyone?) were considered lethal back in the day, and now Bridgestone BT's are one of the default choices. That Yokohama was where old LP records were recycled into motorcycle rim protectors. Yoko's are now Shinko's -some will think this is not much of an improvement.
  • No tyre, no matter how sticky, works on oil, grease, mud, wet leaves, loose gravel, etc. Or when not in contact with the road.
  • If you are crashing at least one of the above is usually involved. Road rash has no interest in your tire's stickiness.
  • Adding air reduces the size of your contact patch
  • Removing air increases carcass flex and in bias ply will generate more heat.
  • Bias plys have freaking stiff side walls, so are less reliant on air pressure to provide rigidity.
  • I don't ride at the edge of traction, so the performance difference of a couple of psi either way isn't something I'd normally notice.

Looking forward to your responses.
 
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Haha, as you say, this is an old chestnut but hasn't done the rounds for a while :)

One of those ones where everyone has arrived at a setting that works for them over the years.

I have Pirelli Sport Demons front and back with 30psi F and 32 psi R and although I haven't racked up to many miles yet they have given no issues
 
36 front, 36 rear - just like the way it feels and responds to deviations in the road especially with the bikes with 16" fronts. Yes may create a bit of push but I'm old and slow so suits me fine.
 
Mag Mopus himself
-or as he looked in 1978

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Same as toadboy, run sport demons on 28/32. Ran very hard up the range west of rathdowney and no issues. Intend to put tubes back in though as I believe they are required which is why my front keeps deflating.
 
Same as toadboy, run sport demons on 28/32. Ran very hard up the range west of rathdowney and no issues. Intend to put tubes back in though as I believe they are required which is why my front keeps deflating.

You may find you need to bump the pressures with the tubes in - they get hotter then with no tube.
Your front may be deflating for a couple of reasons - but running tubeless isn't one of them.
Porous casting. (3 out of the 4 wheels on my car suffer this)
Damaged tyre bead during fitting (my current issue on the kat)
Tyrefitters left the carboard label around the tyre when they fitted it (Mates car had this problem)
Valve issue (have had this in the past)
Puncture.

pull it off, put it in a tub of water to find the leak.
 
Maybe I'm a bit hard:o

But I like 34 front / 35 rear cold.
Am running the sensors which send data to phone showing temp and pressure whilst you ride. It's interesting to see the temp and pressure rise on the rear but reduce on the front as your riding on cold mornings.

Presumably as the front has to cut through the clean air, but the rear gets a pocket of warm air coming off the engine.

Stuart
 
Interesting info Stuart. Mid 70s Gp riders (Barry Sheens Springs to mind) used to run a slick rear and treated front, ostensibly because they had issues with the front slick getting up to temperature. What kind of pressure increase do you see?
 
Not sure on the Kat yet... I could put whatever I like in and not know the difference :D

But the wee beastie runs Avon RoadRiders with 32PSI front and rear and feels great. I used to run 34F/36R and it was just all shades of wrong for how it felt to me...
 
Interesting info Stuart. Mid 70s Gp riders (Barry Sheens Springs to mind) used to run a slick rear and treated front, ostensibly because they had issues with the front slick getting up to temperature. What kind of pressure increase do you see?

The really cool thing about them is you can ride down to the local cafe on a sunny summer Sunday, park so the front wheel is in the sun and watch what happens. And you can do screen shots from your iPhone to record the temp / pressure.

Sorry, still having issues uploading pics when I'm n iPad.
But,
On Feb 13, the following was recorded.
7:03pm
FT = 29c / 35psi. RT = 26c / 32.6psi ( had a slow leak - and NO! Not prostate trouble ;)
7:04pm
FT = 30c / 35.4psi. Rat = 26c / 32.6psi

Generally notice approx .5 psi increase per degree temp increase.
But more interesting is the temp increase of a front tyre sitting in the Aussi sun.
Have seen temp rise very high just sitting having a coffee.
 
The really cool thing about them is you can ride down to the local cafe on a sunny summer Sunday, park so the front wheel is in the sun and watch what happens. And you can do screen shots from your iPhone to record the temp / pressure.

Sorry, still having issues uploading pics when I'm n iPad.
But,
On Feb 13, the following was recorded.
7:03pm
FT = 29c / 35psi. RT = 26c / 32.6psi ( had a slow leak - and NO! Not prostate trouble ;)
7:04pm
FT = 30c / 35.4psi. Rat = 26c / 32.6psi

Generally notice approx .5 psi increase per degree temp increase.
But more interesting is the temp increase of a front tyre sitting in the Aussi sun.
Have seen temp rise very high just sitting having a coffee.

Oh, and as afar as seeing a temp increase when riding, was heading up central coast (NSW) for an MV Augusta ride event - don't judge me, it was free!
When I got there, the fro tyre was colder than when I left home ( after a 120+ k ride ).

The MV guys told everybody to "take it easy" as you go down the hill on the new bikes until they warm up". I laughed and showed them the tyre temp and pressure after the highway ride.

Granted internal air temp and external rubber temp could be / should be / would be different, but I do question how much a tyre warms up after just a couple of k's on a cool or even cold morning.
 
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